Your Kingdom come, Your will be done

Your will be done

Sunday 11/01/20

Series: Do we REALLY believe?

MESSAGE: Your Kingdom come, Your will be done


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Praying for our nation

Today we were going to return to Philippians and continue where we left off 3 weeks ago, but since this next Wednesday is AFTER the election I thought I’d address any questions you all might have had regarding our teaching on 2Chron. 7 today rather than then.

I “thought” that the lesson went well.

I “thought” that it would put to rest any questions regarding its use WHILE encouraging you with thoughts and prayers that were appropriate.

However, afterwards I could tell there was some unrest – and I got some feedback. But before I address that, I want to open it up and see where others are regarding what we learned?

Are things more clear now?

Do you better understand Solomon’s prayer, the context of the prayer and it’s answer better?

Do you better understand our relationship with government and what should be the focus of our prayers?

What about any heart reactions with the teaching? Did it resonate with you or did you find it restricting and frustrating?

Well in the discussion I had what was shared with me where concerns.

It seemed…

  • A little harsh
  • like it served to divide rather than unify
  • dogmatic like our old way of doctrine.

I was asked, “Isn’t there a “general principle” or a “way of God” which can be found in that verse which at least in some way makes it not wrong to pray today? 

This person said it made them feel as if now that I have spoken the official standing of this church was essentially to shun others who pray those words.

That it might limit those who might otherwise have felt free to participate in outside Christian gatherings where prayers for our nation were taking place.

They felt there should be room for praying prayers like that since Jesus – even knowing that He was sent to die, even still asked God if there was another way – though He ended His prayer with “Not My will but Yours be done”.

Now it was my feeling that I had effectively said as much when I brought up the Lord’s prayer. We might ask for our desired outcome, but always conclude it with “Your Kingdom come, Your will be done”. But perhaps I didn’t stress that enough to make that part clear.

I also know that to some I come across with a lot of authority and as such I risk turning an otherwise good teaching into a dogmatic and legalistic commandment.

So, I thought maybe after sharing these thoughts, that if anyone else felt a similar way it may loosen their tongue to know they were not entirely alone. So I wanted to ask if others felt the same way or if anyone might have other concerns they would like to voice?

What I was NOT doing Wednesday night

  • I was NOT demonizing those who pray that prayer.
  • I was NOT advocating, breaking off fellowship with Christians who pray that way.
  • I was NOT encouraging you to correct other siblings in Christ who wrongly appropriate that prayer.
  • I was NOT telling you that borrowing parts of that prayer was wrong or sin – though I do believe beginning with the words “If My people: is  ill-advised because of the baggage it carries.
  • I was NOT telling you that to ask God to offer us favorable leadership (national or otherwise) was wrong – only that we conclude our prayers with – “Nevertheless, your kingdom come Your will be done”
  • I was NOT saying that God would NEVER do like He was willing to do with Sodom and Gomorrah and save the city for the sake of 50 righteous.
  • I was NOT saying standing up for ones beliefs is wrong – just attempting to legitimize them through laws which effectively force outward godliness on the ungodly. 

What I was doing Wednesday night…

First of all, I was teaching what the chapters actually said and what they were about.

Key is the promise -> 2Chron. is a promise – not a “maybe” that was a major issue. Unless we have a specific word from God for OUR unique situation we cannot pray with 100% certainty and that alone is a major difference.

We “could” do all the right things and it still not work.

We are not the nation – Israel WAS the nation

It is not OUR nation and land alone – it WAS Israel’s nation and land alone.

Secondly, I was taking the opportunity to reveal the difference between what the passage says and what it was actually about and placing that alongside the way Christians typically attempt to use the verse.

    1. AKA – rightly dividing the word of truth

Thirdly, I was addressing what I view as two really serious problems behind the heart of using the passage regarding political issues.

The first of which is a people who are far too entangled in the affairs of this life. They draw a great majority of their hope and security from national provisions rather than from their Lord.

You’ve heard me address this many times. I believe that the great majority of the problems Christians have with our nation are problems we have greatly contributed to creating ourselves.

One step towards worldly values creates a cascading implosion of compromises which lead to a weak faith which stands more on principles than heart commitment.

  • We were not satisfied with what we had so we lived above our means – forcing our wives to work outside the home and sent our children off to the state to be trained up and educated.
    • Then we cried foul when they started teaching them about evolution, and sex ed and removed prayer out of the schools.
    • So we pressed to have laws put in place to put prayer back in schools but ONLY Christian prayer.
    • We pressed to put the Bible back in the curriculum but NOT the Koran.
    • Our wives demanded equal rights in the work place and freedom to pursue careers rather than being a helpmate.
    • So feminism grew like a cancer in our society until men now act like women and women aspire to replace men and the church becomes divided on the issue allowing the arguments of man to weigh heavier in their minds than biblical precepts.
    • NONE of which would have ever even been an issue if we would have been satisfied with what we had in the first place – rearing, training and educating our children at home as the scriptures teach and encourage.

So the first reason for the prayer is the need to control political situations to make accomodations for our lack of commitment to the precepts of Christ.

The second of which springs from what I believe I witness most in the body of Christ – which is a group of moral idealists.

I believe most of those who claim to know Christ want a national environment which is not hostile to Christian values while in all reality, they are not fully dedicated to living those values themselves.

  • They want the nation to adopt laws against murdering the unborn while allowing hatred in their hearts for their fellow man. Jesus said hating is the same thing as murder.
  • They want to limit social freedoms of homosexuals while indulging in sins of excess themselves – such as overeating, not taking care of their bodies, regularly being entertained by shows which depict sex outside of marriage or even nudity. Jesus said that to entertain those thoughts and desires in the heart were the same as participation in them.
  • They want strict laws enforcing moral culpability for their leaders but desire mercy from God while actively living with unforgiveness towards their brother in Christ.

In short they want…

  • Less persecution
  • A more comfortable environment in which to live a casual, not fully devoted Christian life.

During times of national upheaval do you hear your typical fellow Christian talking about the joy and safety they feel being in the kingdom of God and so glad that their hope does not rest in this life…or do you hear them dive into the frey just as angry as the next guy at the chaos and social unrest?

Does the unrest drive them to greater submission to Christ and His words or to political activism?

Are we of this world or are we of another? THAT should be paramount in our hearts, attention and prayers.

I honestly believe that if Christians truly understood their nature and learned from history they would pray for persecution with the caveat of nevertheless, not my will but Yours be done!

One of the most fertile environments for the church to grow in Christ is under persecution NOT peace. Some of the first major, nearly church-wide departures from biblical teachings came during the time of Constantine’s rule in Rome when he legitimized all faiths and sought to unify them largely in Christianity resulting or at very least eventuating in the formation of the Roman Catholic church which nearly drove true Christianity into extinction during the dark to middle ages.

In doing a little homework last night, I ran across a very brief and succinct article which illustrated this later point and I will provide a link to that article on the website, but it was taken from a site called, Got Questions . Your Questions. Biblical answers.” 

“For the first 280 years of Christian history, Christianity was banned by the Roman Empire, and Christians were terribly persecuted. This changed after the “conversion” of the Roman Emperor Constantine. Constantine provided religious toleration with the Edict of Milan in AD 313, effectively lifting the ban on Christianity. Later, in AD 325, Constantine called the Council of Nicea in an attempt to unify Christianity. Constantine envisioned Christianity as a religion that could unite the Roman Empire, which at that time was beginning to fragment and divide. While this may have seemed to be a positive development for the Christian church, the results were anything but positive. Just as Constantine refused to fully embrace the Christian faith but continued many of his pagan beliefs and practices, so the Christian church that Constantine and his successors promoted progressively became a mixture of true Christianity and Roman paganism.”

I have my own unanswered questions…

Such as, does God honor, even a non-Christian nation whose general way of doing and being is mostly towards Biblical justice?

Does God…Can God, honor physical “correctness” without heart transformation and devotion?

God Bless!

I hope this message will bless you richly…not because I taught it, but because it reveals Christ. He alone is our blessing and if in any way – whether big or small, 100% accurate or even just partially so – I have revealed our great God and Savior to you in a relationally knowable way, then this was time well spent on both our parts.

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Hi my name is Mark and though I am opposed to titles, I am currently the only Pastor (shepherd/elder) serving our assembly right now.

I have been Pastoring in one capacity or another for nearly 30 years now, though never quite like I am today.

Early in 2009 the Lord revealed to me that the way we had structured our assembly (church) was not scriptural in that it was out of sync with what Paul modeled for us in the New Testament. In truth, I (like many pastors I am sure) never even gave this fundamental issue of church structure the first thought. I had always assumed that church structure was largely the same everywhere and had been so from the beginning. While I knew Paul had some very stringent things to say about the local assembly of believers, the point of our gatherings together and who may or may not lead, I never even considered studying these issues but assumed we were all pretty much doing it right...safety in numbers right?! Boy, I couldn't have been more wrong!

So needless to say, my discovery that we had been doing it wrong for nearly two decades was a bit of a shock to me! Now, this "revelation" that did not come about all at once but over the course of a few weeks. We were a traditional single pastor led congregation. It was a top-bottom model of ministry which is in part biblical, but not in the form of a monarchy.

The needed change did not come into focus until following 9 very intense months of study and discussions with those who were leaders in our church at the time.

We now understand and believe that the Bible teaches co-leadership with equal authority in each local assembly. Having multiple shepherds with God's heart and equal authority protects both Shepherds and sheep. Equal accountability keep authority and doctrine in check. Multiple shepherds also provides teaching with various styles and giftings with leadership skills which are both different and complementary.

For a while we had two co-pastors (elders) (myself and one other man) who led the church with equal authority, but different giftings. We both taught in our own ways and styles, and our leadership skills were quite different, but complimentary. We were in complete submission to each other and worked side-by-side in the labor of shepherding the flock.

Our other Pastor has since moved on to other ministry which has left us with just myself. While we currently only have one Pastor/Elder, it is our desire that God, in His faithfulness and timing, may bring us more as we grow in maturity and even in numbers.

As to my home, I have been married since 1995 to my wonderful wife Terissa Woodson who is my closest friend and most trusted ally.

As far as my education goes, I grew up in a Christian home, but questioned everything I was ever taught.

I graduated from Bible college in 1990 and continued to question everything I was ever taught (I do not mention my college in order to avoid being labeled).

Perhaps my greatest preparation for ministry has been life and ministry itself. To quote an author I have come to enjoy namely Fredrick Buechner in his writing entitled, Now and Then, "If God speaks to us at all other than through such official channels as the Bible and the church, then I think that He speaks to us largely through what happens to us...if we keep our hearts open as well as our ears, if we listen with patience and hope, if we remember at all deeply and honestly, then I think we come to recognize beyond all doubt, that, however faintly we may hear Him, He is indeed speaking to us, and that, however little we may understand of it, His word to each of us is both recoverable and precious beyond telling." ~ Fredrick Buechner

Well that is about all there is of interest to tell you about me.

I hope our ministry here is a blessing to you and your family. I also hope that it is only a supplement to a local church where you are committed to other believers in a community of grace.

~God Bless!